Jun 19, 2008 09:55PM GMT
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Politics - United States
12 Year Old Sues Dad for Grounding: Should kids have the right to sue for discipline?
After finding "inappropriate" pictures of his daughter on the web, a startled father grounded his 12-year-old daughter and refused to allow her to go on a three-day school trip. Her response was to sue him, and she won! The Quebec Superior Court ruled that the father's punishment was too severe. The youngster had by-passed the security settings her father had set to block her computer access, then used one of her friend's computers to access those same sites, and posted pictures of herself that her are being described as "inappropriate for a child her age."
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raves Jun 26, 2008 09:22PM GMT (edited)If your definition of a winner is someone with a lot of money, then yours is a sad one.
There is much more to life than making a lot of money, and you are more of winner if you are a person with love, joy, peace, patience, kindness good, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control and no money, than a person with money and none of the above attributes. That is the kind of person that makes a good parent. Their children are respectful, well-behaved, and become contributers to the society around them, instead of the selfish materialistic brats that we have today. Money has nothing to do with it.
If the little girl really thought that her dad was hurting her she would have gone to family court and had him accused of abuse or neglect. -
raves +2 Jun 25, 2008 11:34PM GMT (edited)What does money have to do with it? There are many people who come from families who are dirt poor and are excellent human beings. Several of them have been Presidents of the USA. Many are doctors, lawyers, and other useful members of society. There are plenty of SOB's out there who had/have everything they wanted/needed and turned out pretty BAD. Really, the only thing that has anything to do with it is love, commitment, discipline, and fairly good judgment. I'm sorry, but I don't agree with you. I do not want, nor do I feel that there is anyone who knows how to parent my children better than I do. There are some bad parents out there, and we have to make sure we protect children from them. But most parents are doing the best they can, $50,000 or not.
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raves Jun 25, 2008 11:50PM GMT (edited)fair enough. i respect your opinion but it seems like you didnt read all of mine. I did point out same as you that there are cases where a poor family raises an exceptional child, but for every sucess story you hear there are a million more kids who remain poor because they only had the guidance of their poor ass parents. I know how you feel and I am glad youcare so much about your kids. It is very admirable. Unfortunately parenting skills are like any other skills (ex. strength, speed, smarts, etc.) there is always someone who could do better and some people are just not born with the goods no matter how hard they try. Like my degenerate cousin. If you told her she was a bad parent she would dive into a litany of how much she loves them and so on. Just about every mother would say that they are good but you and I both know that isnt the case. So its obvious that most bad parents are deluding themselves. My goal is to not become so wrapped up in my parental authority that I forget I am fallible like everyone else. I was placed ahead two grades and scored a 1540 on me SAT's when I was 15 yrs. old in my jr. year. I finished my degree while serving as a Sergeant in the U.S. ARMY and I am preparing to take the LSAT and then law school. I give this information to emphasize that eve...fair enough. i respect your opinion but it seems like you didnt read all of mine. I did point out same as you that there are cases where a poor family raises an exceptional child, but for every sucess story you hear there are a million more kids who remain poor because they only had the guidance of their poor ass parents. I know how you feel and I am glad youcare so much about your kids. It is very admirable. Unfortunately parenting skills are like any other skills (ex. strength, speed, smarts, etc.) there is always someone who could do better and some people are just not born with the goods no matter how hard they try. Like my degenerate cousin. If you told her she was a bad parent she would dive into a litany of how much she loves them and so on. Just about every mother would say that they are good but you and I both know that isnt the case. So its obvious that most bad parents are deluding themselves. My goal is to not become so wrapped up in my parental authority that I forget I am fallible like everyone else. I was placed ahead two grades and scored a 1540 on me SAT's when I was 15 yrs. old in my jr. year. I finished my degree while serving as a Sergeant in the U.S. ARMY and I am preparing to take the LSAT and then law school. I give this information to emphasize that even the academic elite need to have their reasoning questioned every now and again. Just remember that the authority you have over your kids was not earned by personal achievement. Animals have authority over their young and they sometimes kill them. Authority does not by itself make a just ruler(less)
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raves +1 Jun 26, 2008 12:06AM GMTI, unlike you, am wrapped up in my parental authority and responsibility. If more people were, they would be better parents. Yes, I am fallible, and my children know that, I will freely admit it when necessary. But I and my husband are the parents, and until my children are capable of living on their own, the laws of our household are the laws of their lives. They know it, they respect it, and I don't want any judge disrespecting me. It undermines parenthood. If s/he wants to remove someones parental rights for a good reason, that's fine. But s/he better not tell me how I should discipline my children when I am within the law.
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raves +1 Jun 26, 2008 02:52AM GMTI'll agree with your statement that some people do not deserve to have the title of parent but allowing children to sue their parents when they are only looking out for them is just ridiculous. Especially when it is a father telling his 12 year old daughter that she doesn't need to put inappropriate photos of herself on the web. When we are young we don't always think of all of the consequences that comes with our actions and it is the parents job to point out these consequences to the child until they are mature enough to do so for themselves. The job of a parent is to teach their children morals, values, ethics, right from wrong, love, and consequences. If the parent has done their job properly then when that kid is 18 and they decide to move out they will have all of the tools necessary to be successful in their lives.
So are you saying that if a child of five wants to go play in the street and the kids mother takes him in he should be able to sue??? Where would it end? Children are not stupid but they are inexperienced and they are supposed to benefit from the parent's life experiences..... I certainly don't see where the parent being poor would make them a bad parent at all, take paris hilton for example, her parents are rich and she is a big screw up... why not say something like you have to get a license to be a parent instead? Suing someone that is trying to look out for your best interests is setting a horrible example. -
raves +3 posted Jun 25, 2008 05:13PM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
In this case scenario, I think it's crazy. Kids shouldn't be able to sue for discipline. Abuse, maybe. But I don't think that punishment was too severe. He might have just protected his daughter from some predators. -
raves +2 posted Jun 25, 2008 04:49PM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
Unless the punishment is abusive (ie tying your kid to a tree) or neglectful (ie withholding food). No a child should not be able to sue. What is crazy about this is that if you read the whole article the lawyer was one of her parents lawyers (I believe) from their 10 year custody battle for the children. I think they deserve some punishment for teaching the child to sue in the first place! -
raves +2 posted Jun 25, 2008 03:18PM GMT (edited)
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
If a parent isn't hurting a child by the punishment, then no. How do you expect a child to learn there are punishments for things we do. I told my son when he was little any time he thinks I'm being unfair he was welcome to go. He is now almost 21, engaged and says he'll raise his kids the same way. I never hurt him, but did deny him things as punishment. If I were this girls parents I'd say fine. However from now on, you don't need $100 shoes, $40 shoes work fine. You don't need to go to the movies every week, 1 time a month is fine. When we stop being parents, we are nothing more than older roommates paying for everything. -
raves +2 posted Jun 25, 2008 03:18PM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
Seriously, if this was allowed when I was in high school, the state would have probably awarded me my own home and vehicle, due to all of the unnecessary punishment I received.
This is ridiculous!!!
Kids need to learn to keep their whiny yaps shut, and just deal with the consequences of their actions. -
raves +3 posted Jun 25, 2008 01:50PM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
Shouldn't even have been questioned. He's trying to protect his daughter from pervs on the net and the judge overruled him?? Let the daughter go live with the judge them so he can see what she's like. -
raves +3 posted Jun 25, 2008 12:55PM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
she is 12 years old... a parents job is to decide what is right and what isnt for their child until they are of age...thats why their are laws like bieng 18 to do those kind of things and what the hell kind of world is this where a kid can sue their parent ... her father was very responsible and its her fault for bieng a little skanky girl...she should be more than just not allowed on a school trip -
raves +3 posted Jun 25, 2008 12:01PM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
LOL!!!
Wowwwwww
is this 4realll!?
tht is too funny to me...lol im sorry...
but thts jus crazy!
wtf man?
dude can you imagine if he woulda like spanked her or sumthin?
he prolly woulda been locked up for child abuse!
the wuts even worst is not tht the kid took her parent to court for not gettin her way, but SHE WON!!.....
LOL *whew* my goodness....
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raves +2 posted Jun 25, 2008 11:13AM GMT (edited)
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
No they should not. Until they reach the age of majority or otherwise become emancipated they are the responsibility of the parent. If a parent can be sued because of the actions of their child then the parents have every right to discipline their child to ensure the child acts properly in society. Only in cases of actual abuse should the state step in. Punishment and discipline are not abuse. So suck it up it kid. -
raves +1 posted Jun 25, 2008 08:47AM GMT
Answered No way: This is crazy! Kids have no right to sue for discipline.
If kids are allowed to sue their parents from discipline, then there will be absolutely nothing stopping them! The reason we have discipline is to teach children lessens so they don't do the wrong thing and don't turn in crazy, disrespectful people! -
raves +1 posted Jun 25, 2008 08:39AM GMT
Answered Yes: Kids have the right to sue for discipline.
Well it's official.. The inmates are running the Asylum.