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Do you agree or not? Supreme Court says Americans have right to guns?

By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer
11 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that Americans have a right to own guns for self-defense and hunting, the justices' first major pronouncement on gun rights in U.S. history.

The court's 5-4 ruling struck down the District of Columbia's 32-year-old ban on handguns as incompatible with gun rights under the Second Amendment. The decision went further than even the Bush administration wanted, but probably leaves most firearms laws intact.

The court had not conclusively interpreted the Second Amendment since its ratification in 1791. The amendment reads: "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The basic issue for the justices was whether the amendment protects an individual's right to own guns no matter what, or whether that right is somehow tied to service in a state militia.

Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia said that an individual right to bear arms is supported by "the historical narrative" both before and after the Second Amendment was adopted.

The Constitution does not permit "the absolute prohibition of handguns held and used for self-defense in the home," Scalia said. The court also struck down Washington's requirement that firearms be equipped with trigger locks or kept disassembled, but left intact the licensing of guns.

In a dissent he summarized from the bench, Justice John Paul Stevens wrote that the majority "would have us believe that over 200 years ago, the Framers made a choice to limit the tools available to elected officials wishing to regulate civilian uses of weapons."

He said such evidence "is nowhere to be found."

Justice Stephen Breyer wrote a separate dissent in which he said, "In my view, there simply is no untouchable constitutional right guaranteed by the Second Amendment to keep loaded handguns in the house in crime-ridden urban areas."

Joining Scalia were Chief Justice John Roberts and Justices Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Clarence Thomas. The other dissenters were Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and David Souter.

Gun rights supporters hailed the decision. "I consider this the opening salvo in a step-by-step process of providing relief for law-abiding Americans everywhere that have been deprived of this freedom," said Wayne LaPierre, executive vice president of the National Rifle Association.

The NRA will file lawsuits in San Francisco, Chicago and several of its suburbs challenging handgun restrictions there based on Thursday's outcome.

The capital's gun law was among the nation's strictest.

Dick Anthony Heller, 66, an armed security guard, sued the District after it rejected his application to keep a handgun at his home for protection in the same Capitol Hill neighborhood as the court.

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ruled in Heller's favor and struck down Washington's handgun ban, saying the Constitution guarantees Americans the right to own guns and that a total prohibition on handguns is not compatible with that right.

The issue caused a split within the Bush administration. Vice President Dick Cheney supported the appeals court ruling, but others in the administration feared it could lead to the undoing of other gun regulations, including a federal law restricting sales of machine guns. Other laws keep felons from buying guns and provide for an instant background check.

Scalia said nothing in Thursday's ruling should "cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons or the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings."

In a concluding paragraph to the his 64-page opinion, Scalia said the justices in the majority "are aware of the problem of handgun violence in this country" and believe the Constitution "leaves the District of Columbia a variety of tools for combating that problem, including some measures regulating handguns."

The law adopted by Washington's city council in 1976 bars residents from owning handguns unless they had one before the law took effect. Shotguns and rifles may be kept in homes, if they are registered, kept unloaded and either disassembled or equipped with trigger locks.

Opponents of the law have said it prevents residents from defending themselves. The Washington government says no one would be prosecuted for a gun law violation in cases of self-defense.
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raves +7   by SparkleyFlowers (NSFW)

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  • raves +1   [-] by DoofusCastorCanadensis

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    It's about time the Court got it right. I doubt the logic of the four dissenters, but what the hey.
  • raves +1   [-] by morning40oz~NeoRadical

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    "...From my cold, dead hands...."!
  • raves +1   [-] by fuzzyface

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    Hmmmmmm. Please read my whole comment.

    I think the Constitution seems pretty clear with the militia part of the Amendment. It has always read to me that, due to the lack of a standing Army, a citizen could hold a weapon for use in times of war if called upon by the government. Arms then and arms now are very different.

    HOWEVER: the country has always worked on the principle that an individual right was implicit in the Amendment, therefore a lot of people have guns. It would be virtually impossible to take that right away now. If they said an individual does NOT have a right to bare arms and guns could be taken from people, they would be in violation of the 4th amendment and it's guarentee of security in effects.

    Unfortunatly the Supreme Court seldom rules by what the Constitution says or means. They seem to rule on what the individual Justices party want to happen. I understand a lot of people don't want to extend legal rights to people held at Guantanamo, but if you want to be the good guys you have to abide by your own laws. It is not "giving terrorists rights" because they have not been proven to be terrorists yet. Once they are in front of a judge, A CIVILIAN, they can be charged and treated as dangerous terrorists, but right now they are kidnap victims. Before...
    Hmmmmmm. Please read my whole comment.

    I think the Constitution seems pretty clear with the militia part of the Amendment. It has always read to me that, due to the lack of a standing Army, a citizen could hold a weapon for use in times of war if called upon by the government. Arms then and arms now are very different.

    HOWEVER: the country has always worked on the principle that an individual right was implicit in the Amendment, therefore a lot of people have guns. It would be virtually impossible to take that right away now. If they said an individual does NOT have a right to bare arms and guns could be taken from people, they would be in violation of the 4th amendment and it's guarentee of security in effects.

    Unfortunatly the Supreme Court seldom rules by what the Constitution says or means. They seem to rule on what the individual Justices party want to happen. I understand a lot of people don't want to extend legal rights to people held at Guantanamo, but if you want to be the good guys you have to abide by your own laws. It is not "giving terrorists rights" because they have not been proven to be terrorists yet. Once they are in front of a judge, A CIVILIAN, they can be charged and treated as dangerous terrorists, but right now they are kidnap victims. Before you disagree, think how we felt about the "hostages" that Iran held for all that time during the Carter administration. Same thing. Not easy being the good guy is it? However, I digress.

    So, short answer: I think the Constitution does not guarentee an individual right, BUT, I think the Constitution is wrong on this. The Second Amendment should not read the way it does.

    And please remember, I am fuzzyface, not Thomas Jefferson so what the hell do I know?
  • raves +2   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to fuzzyface
    how should the 2nd amendment read. I think it and the court are right this time.
  • raves +1   [-] fuzzyface replied to Headhunter 13
    Just take out the phrase "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state". The gun lobby usually leaves that bit out and quotes the Amendment as "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

    I would not presume, as too many do, to know the intent of the founding fathers when they wrote this amendment. However, referencing the Militia, not just saying 'the people' would seem to suggest that they thought the people could be called upon to serve instead of keeping a standing army. That is pretty much how the Revolution was fought. We now have a standing army, we don't need a militia. The point of keeping and bearing arms now would seem to be about freedom of choice and a 'quid pro quo' from the Government for taxing us. If they tax us but don't trust us with weapons then we have a problem.

    I know we've talked about this before HH, but where do you stand on me owning weapons as a legal resident alien but not a citizen?
  • raves +2   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to fuzzyface
    I think that since you have commited yourself to being at the minimum a legal resident Alien, that you should have the same right to self defense from criminals as well as a rogue American Government
  • raves +1   [-] fuzzyface replied to Headhunter 13
    And that's the awesome thing about this country. Thomas Jefferson really was a genius.

    awesome country thomas jefferson genius
  • raves +1   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to fuzzyface
    If you ever get out to the Lancaster, PA area the range time is on me
  • raves +1   [-] fuzzyface replied to Headhunter 13
    Hope to take you up on that offer one day my friend.
  • raves     [-] Headhunter 13 replied to fuzzyface
    my pleasure
  • raves +2   [-] by Silverback

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    The intent was to allow us to defend ourselves from an oppressive government. Period end of comment.
  • raves +1   [-] by Bewildered~Proud Republican

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    Yes; we should be able to have guns to protect ourselves. The
    criminals are going to get them whether we can or not. So I'd like to
    be prepared. I know there have been issues with children getting them,
    but that's another story and maybe another poll. When my brothers and I
    were growing up; my Dad was in Law Inforcement. He had guns in the
    house for hunting and also carried a pistol for work. When he came home
    each evening; he hung his pistol on the chair in the kitchen. None of
    us would touch it. Never even crosed our mind. We knew better. It was a
    respect thing. If it wasn't a toy; you better not touch it. Everyone I
    knew had guns in their homes. You never heard of accidents back then
    with children.
  • raves +1   [-] by Satan Johnson

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    If people make it a job to kill and steal for a living, my gun can be their early retirement when they enter my household.
  • raves +2   [-] by THE REAL STORY

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    The world can be both a beautiful and a dangerous place. I feel better being prepared for anything. I can't understand why anyone would have a problem with that.
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  • raves     [-] Headhunter 13 replied to THE REAL STORY
    Nice HK Tactical. I looked at one in .45 the other day but held off because a grand for the gun and the 200 for the rax stamp and 700 for the suppressor. More than I wanted to lay out right now
  • raves +1   [-] THE REAL STORY replied to Headhunter 13
    I was actually looking for a pic of an FN 5.7 They're about a grand also but they'll penetrate kevlar and body armor. Just in case you have a well equiped burglar...lol
  • raves +1   [-] Silverback replied to THE REAL STORY
    Aim for the hips or head.
  • raves +1   [-] THE REAL STORY replied to Silverback
    How about "six, in the belly"


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  • raves +1   [-] DoofusCastorCanadensis replied to Silverback
    True. Something about a crotch shot that send a very special message as well.
  • raves +3   [-] by Selkie

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    Absolutely! comment absolutely
  • raves +2   [-] by heart ~ KeepTheFire!

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    But, with small children in the house and a safe neighborhood, I'm more old school in home protection. My weapon of choice...
    comment children house safe neighborhood school home protection weapon choice

    Seriously though... I defend the right for law abiding, mentally competent citizens to bear arms. I do feel there needs to be minimal oversight.. but some oversight.
  • raves +2   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to heart ~ KeepTheFire!
    I have several of those around the house as well.
  • raves +2   [-] by dawlin

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    Most definitely!!! I always have mine with me!!
  • raves +1   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to dawlin
    as do I
  • raves +2   [-] by nightm4825

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    Dam straight!!!!!! I agree
  • raves +3   [-] by Bill - McGee/??? - 2012

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    several people show several views for and against it in the answers...
    simple fact is if i have a gun i have the ability to protect myself, my family and my country, if you take away my right to have one, you leave me, my family and my country at the mercy of the criminals who will have one anyway...(no matter what the law says)

    just my thought...
  • raves +2   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to Bill - McGee/??? - 2012
    well said Bill.
  • raves +1   [-] Bill - McGee/??? - 2012 replied to Headhunter 13
    Thanks HH,
    good to see you, and great poll...
  • raves +1   [-] Headhunter 13 replied to Bill - McGee/??? - 2012
    Thanks Bill. This was timely fror me I just ordered a new pistol and am waiting for delivery
  • raves +1   [-] Bill - McGee/??? - 2012 replied to Headhunter 13
    SodaHead is online!