Jul 19, 2008 04:00PM GMTJuly 19, 2008 16:00:51
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Is forcing children to breathe cigarette smoke child abuse?

This includes pregnant mothers. Smoking around children in small quarters is forcing them to breath smoke.
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raves +10   by SouthernB

Answered No

If forcing (passively, I assume) a child to breath cigarette smoke is child abuse, then is:

... allowing a child to gain excessive weight child abuse?

... allowing a child to eat any kind of food considered to be unhealthy child abuse?

... committing a moving violation in a vehicle (speeding, rolling through a stop sign, running a red light, illegal lane change, etc.) child abuse?

... continuing to live in a city with an unhealthy smog index child abuse?

... not seeking immediate medical attention for any symptom for which we are advised to seek medical attention (which is a LOT, if you really pay attention) child abuse?

... etc.

So where do you draw the line?
For which health risks is it ok to turn parents into criminals for, and which not. Is YOUR choice of children's health risks better than MY choice of children's health risks?
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  • raves +5   [-] by droog
    Google how many people die of second hand smoke. I can't believe people are still ignorant about this. They must want to be.
    You see this woman. She never smoked a day in her live. But she had a career singing in smoke filled nightclubs. She died of lung cancer. Educate yourself ! live career singing smoke filled nightclubs died lung cancer educate
  • raves +1   [-] by vimpirodarkwolf-[Cub]
    ok, i see your point, & i agree with you.
  • raves +1   [-] by droog
    Thank you :--)))
  • raves +1   [-] by Jerry
    You rock! You converted someone.
  • raves +1   [-] by droog
    Hahaha. I'm still in shock . Thank you :-)))
  • raves +2   [-] by angie ~ MCCAIN / PALIN 08

    Answered No

    moderated...
  • raves +4   [-] by Sufferer of the Mazzaroth

    Answered Undecided

    I'm so confused lately. I've been worried a lot about the parents' rights along with the safety of the child. My father spanked me when I was little and I realized that he was right as I grew older. However, some people consider it abuse. Personally, I vote yes. In the justice system, it might not pass.
  • raves +4   [-] by cuz
    Ms. Mazzaroth, I am sure that you have heard the saying 'spare the rod spoil the child'? I am submitting that if you spare the rod you hate your child.
    Prov. 13:24.
    I do make a distinction between a beating and disipline, however.
  • raves +2   [-] by Sufferer of the Mazzaroth
    Well, maybe not hate, but I get what you're saying. If people wanted to get strict, they could perhaps get it passed that smoking is abuse to all the same way that nuclear waste has to be disposed of properly. Simply a difference in how fast one could kill you. But then what about obesity? Why not that as well? There is a difference that food is good for you (in small quantities) and smoking is not good for anyone at all. I'm not trying to argue, just writing everything out. I'm starting to lean to "Yes" with this, because drinking is okay as long as they are not behind a vehicle. But then how would they enforce laws against obesity and smoking? We are the fattest people in the world. We have more alcoholics too, don't we? It wouldn't be such a long shot to think we have a good portion of the world's smokers.
  • raves +1   [-] by cuz
    You have some good points. As far as the 'hate' I am just repeating what the scripture says.
    The way I see it if you took this to the enth degree then we would all be force fed and made to execise and run laps every day. There would be no room left for personal decisions or personal responsibility. We would all be robots not being able to make a move without Big Brothers' approval. Somewhere there has to be a line drawn.
    Your thoughts?
  • raves +1   [-] by Sufferer of the Mazzaroth
    That's exactly what I'm worried about. If anything, it should be up to the states. I hold to that for dumping nuclear waste as well.
    If two states have a problem with it, their case should be held as one all its own. If one is truly disregarding the other state's laws, then and only then should their case be brought to the federal court. The ruling should not be applied to all since every case is its own with circumstances that can differ.
  • raves +1   [-] by cuz
    Yes, there are just so many things that should be left up to the states.
  • raves +1   [-] by angie ~ MCCAIN / PALIN 08
    moderated...
  • raves +3   [-] by avenged_513

    Answered Yes

    It's rude, incosiderate, and should really be viewed as child indangerment. Everyone on earth now knows the risks of secondhand smoke... and the effects that it has... It's wrong and shouldn't be done!!
  • raves +3   [-] by Mollydolly

    Answered Yes

    My grandmother was a smoker, as was my mom and dad. I started at 13 at 53 I was diagnosed with lung cancer. Coincidence? I don't know but I have 2 sister's and one had half her lung removed. I think back in the 50's they really didn't know any better. But now yes. After I stopped smoking, which was a couple yrs before I was diagnosed, I was appauld and amazed at how horrible I must have smelled to those around me. I had no idea growing up with it my whole life. Now that we know what we know about cigs I think it is truly neglegent of a parent to smoke around kids or even anyone. My landlady smokes a little but always goes outside to have a cigarette. I really appriciate that and beside wouldn't live here if she smoked inside.
  • raves +4   [-] by taj

    Answered Yes

    At the very least it is child endangerment.
  • raves +4   [-] by ErinJP

    Answered Yes

    If you are making them do something that could hert them then yes! hert
  • raves +7   [-] by *((Pinky Roo))* ((*GuNNS*))

    Answered Yes

    seems to be
  • raves +5   [-] by NZArkie08

    Answered Yes

    Yes, in this day and age, we all know better. So, there is no excuse to smoke around children. Research has plenty of proof and evidence now, of the thousands of small children suffering from respiratory conditions as a result of breathing in the side smoke of their parents. I know parents aren't going to "force" their children to breath it, but how many children have a choice to separate themselves all the time from parents when they smoke. Some are so young they can't walk to get away from it. My husband smoked when we first got married, but he always went outside to smoke. (we have 5 children); and never smoked in a vehicle. I prayed for 5 years for him to quit, and he is quit cold turkey.
  • raves +4   [-] by OokamiRaito

    Answered Yes

    It almost indefinately results in highly dangerous cases of athsma.
  • raves +3   [-] by pinkpunk

    Answered Undecided

    i have no clue
    but my mom would say yes
  • raves +2   [-] by Amanda

    Answered No

    I was breathing the crap in when I was a kid. I'm perfectly fine.

    My parents weren't forcing me into a closet while they were smoking, so whatever. They also DIDN'T put the ciggarettes to my face. I don't smoke around my daughter, but it's not abuse.
  • raves +3   [-] by sunshine-4mccain/palin
    if you don't think it's abuse to expose a child to a substance that can cause cancer and many other dangerous respiratroy diseases, then obviously you are not perfectly fine.. it affected your thinking process.
  • raves +1   [-] by Amanda
    ouch, way to hit below the belt. I'm showing the example that I have a perfectly working set of lungs. Don't disrespect me by saying something about my thinking process. Did you see that I would NOT smoke around my child? Or did you miss that part and jump to conclusions? Yeah, so before you bash me, refer to the TRUE examples that SouthernB said below me........
  • raves +2   [-] by sunshine-4mccain/palin
    as far as you know you do have a set of perfectly working lungs.. Anyone who thinks though it is not abuse to smoke around a child, especially in this day and age when we have all the medical facts, is not thinking properly. If you don't smoke around yours that's your business and I commend you that you don't.. but it does not make it non-abusive for others that do. You added to your information " but it's not abuse".. that is what I am addressing.
  • raves +1   [-] by droog
    You don't know that. You are a child yourself. Get your lungs tested. I'm afraid you have a very bad surprise. I hope not.
  • raves +1   [-] by droog
    True.
  • raves +1 -1 [-] by droog
    You can't be older than 18. Your lungs have plenty of time for the cancer to spread. If I were you, I would get tested now. Then put your trailer park parents in jail for trying to kill you.
  • raves +1   [-] by Amanda
    Trailer park parents? What, you have to live in a trailer park to smoke cigarettes?? You're ignorant. I'm 20 and I've had my lungs tested thank you very much. There is no sign of any problem.
  • raves +10   [-] by SouthernB

    Answered No

    If forcing (passively, I assume) a child to breath cigarette smoke is child abuse, then is:

    ... allowing a child to gain excessive weight child abuse?

    ... allowing a child to eat any kind of food considered to be unhealthy child abuse?

    ... committing a moving violation in a vehicle (speeding, rolling through a stop sign, running a red light, illegal lane change, etc.) child abuse?

    ... continuing to live in a city with an unhealthy smog index child abuse?

    ... not seeking immediate medical attention for any symptom for which we are advised to seek medical attention (which is a LOT, if you really pay attention) child abuse?

    ... etc.

    So where do you draw the line?
    For which health risks is it ok to turn parents into criminals for, and which not. Is YOUR choice of children's health risks better than MY choice of children's health risks?
  • raves +5   [-] by cuz
    For sure. There are already so many laws on the books that most of us are criminals already and don't even know it.
  • raves +7   [-] by sunshine-4mccain/palin
    to answer your silly questions.. being a parent is responsibility.. and the answer to all questions posed is YES FOR GOODNESS SAKES.
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