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raves +6   by taj

Answered mccain

The best choice for a truly United States of America!! mccaine choice united america
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  • raves     [-] by Working Mother of 2

    Answered mccain

    TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...FYI only.
    George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years.
    The first six the economy was fine.
    A little over one year ago:
    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
    3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
    4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
    5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations
    overseas, living large!...

    But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a
    Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST
    YEAR:
    1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
    2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
    3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
    4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
    DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
    5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
    6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low
    $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS
    & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

    YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ...

    REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

    AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR ...
    TO ALL MY FRIENDS....LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE...FYI only.
    George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years.
    The first six the economy was fine.
    A little over one year ago:
    1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
    2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
    3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
    4) the DOW JONES hit a record high--14,000 +
    5) American's were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations
    overseas, living large!...

    But American's wanted 'CHANGE'! So, in 2006 they voted in a
    Democratic Congress and yes--we got 'CHANGE' all right. In the PAST
    YEAR:
    1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
    2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
    3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
    4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION
    DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
    5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
    6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low
    $2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS
    & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!

    YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE...AND WE SURE GOT IT! ...

    REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.

    AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

    NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDEN T CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE
    US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!

    JUST HOW MUCH MORE 'CHANGE' DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND?


    'If we ever forget that we're One Nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under'....Ronald Reagan
  • raves +1   [-] by El智

    Answered mccain

    "You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
    You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
    You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
    You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
    You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
    You cannot build character and courage, by taking away men's initiative and independence.
    You cannot help men permanently, by doing for them what they could and should, do for themselves."

    "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and
    lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."

    ~ Abraham Lincoln


    "When the people learn that they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic."

    ~ Benjamin Franklin

    vote money herald republic sell liberty purchase power benjamin franklin
  • raves +1   [-] by Brandon

    Answered mccain

    he is the best choice for this country and will do his part along with his successful govener of alaska Palin. THEY WILL DO IT ALL!!!!
  • raves +1   [-] A.W.M. replied to Brandon
    I support the candidate that is best for my family: John McCain
    I support the candidate that is best for our country: John McCain
  • raves +1   [-] by crissy

    Answered mccain

    obama is not honest.I believe we the people have a right to know everything about the Rev.Wright issue,the acorn issue and the total truth.How could he not know about his church if he was a member for over 20 years??Then there is his shady relationships with radicals,also known terrorist.Is this what people really want for our country??NOT ME.Sen.McCain is not perfect,but I believe he is the best man for the job now.I trust and believe in him and Gov.Palin.
  • raves +2   [-] A.W.M. replied to crissy
    Next thing he'll say is the preacher is just some guy in his neighborhood...

    Obama and his friends...

    Obama is wrong for America.

    Obama is wrong for you.

    Vote your conscience.

    Vote your religious (Christian) values.

    Vote McCain-Palin.


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    I support the candidate that is best for my family: John McCain
    I support the candidate that is best for our country: John McCain
  • raves     [-] by Jim

    Answered obama

    Think of the election in these terms,If mccain,the oldest man was elected,should happen to die in office.We would have a president who has been found guilty of abusing her office and letting the first dude do some of the dirty work for her and if you can believe the checkout line rags,do what bill clinton almost got impeached for had an affair.then where do you think the country would be then.
  • raves +1   [-] A.W.M. replied to Jim
    What did Joe Biden say???!!!

    Joe Biden said: If elected, Obama will be tested.

    Why did he say that???!!!

    Because America has enemies.

    And America's enemies see Obama as weak.

    I didn't say that. Joe Biden said that.

    Go figure.
  • raves +1   [-] A.W.M. replied to A.W.M.
    Don't forget what Obama's wife said: I hate America

    Don't forget what Obama's preacher said: Damn America, damn white people.

    Obama is wrong for America.

    Obama is WRONG FOR YOU.


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    Vote your conscience.

    Vote your religious (Christian) values.

    I support the candidate that is best for my family: John McCain
    I support the candidate that is best for our country: John McCain
  • raves +1   [-] by Tiny

    Answered mccain

    Ture patriot who acts in the best interests of our nation. The alternative is an empty suit.
  • raves     [-] A.W.M. replied to Tiny
    An empty suit. Yes... "That one."
  • raves     [-] by Sheila

    Answered obama

    McCain is counting on his "smear campaign" to win votes. I trully hope people are not fooled by his tricks and see him for what he really is. Also, it is a very good possibility that we could end up with Palin as president...omg we really would be in a terrible mess if that ever happened.
  • raves     [-] A.W.M. replied to Sheila
    We must NEVER forget what Obama told Joe the plumber...

    "When we spread the wealth around it's good for everybody."

    That's socialism. And socialism does not work.

    Obama is wrong for America.

    Obama is WRONG FOR YOU.


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    Vote your conscience.

    Vote your religious (Christian) values.

    Vote McCain-Palin.
  • raves +1   [-] by claireaz1

    Answered mccain

    If you owned a large corporation and you had an employee that was there 183 days, would you make him the president of your corporation to run it? I think not. I wouldn't take a chance on putting someone with only 183 experience to run my company.
    I vote for experience. McCain / Palin
  • raves +1   [-] by Truth

    Answered mccain

    A 2007 Associated Press photograph, suppressed until now, shows the school register of the child who is today known as Barack Hussein Obama but was officially listed then as Barry Soetoro, whose citizenship was listed as "Indonesian" and whose religion was listed as "Islam." The visual evidence starkly contradicts the Obama campaign's claim that he was not a Muslim and confirms that he is a national of at least one other country.

    In addition, it raises the highly problematic issue of what is Obama's official name. If it turns out to Barry Soetoro, and no official change of name was ever made, Obama may face an array of charges of deception and misprision that may throw into doubt, at the very least, his fitness to run.

    Deep doubts remain about the veracity of the "certificate of live birth" image produced for his campaign by the radical left-wing Daily Kos blog. There are reports that investigative teams -- from the Republican and Democratic parties as well as various intelligence agencies -- are seeking out the details of his murky childhood from Kenya to Indonesia. There are indications of growing disquiet in the circles of power that the so-called "smears" may have understated the gravity of the candidate's identity problem: he may not be American, he was not raised...
    A 2007 Associated Press photograph, suppressed until now, shows the school register of the child who is today known as Barack Hussein Obama but was officially listed then as Barry Soetoro, whose citizenship was listed as "Indonesian" and whose religion was listed as "Islam." The visual evidence starkly contradicts the Obama campaign's claim that he was not a Muslim and confirms that he is a national of at least one other country.

    In addition, it raises the highly problematic issue of what is Obama's official name. If it turns out to Barry Soetoro, and no official change of name was ever made, Obama may face an array of charges of deception and misprision that may throw into doubt, at the very least, his fitness to run.

    Deep doubts remain about the veracity of the "certificate of live birth" image produced for his campaign by the radical left-wing Daily Kos blog. There are reports that investigative teams -- from the Republican and Democratic parties as well as various intelligence agencies -- are seeking out the details of his murky childhood from Kenya to Indonesia. There are indications of growing disquiet in the circles of power that the so-called "smears" may have understated the gravity of the candidate's identity problem: he may not be American, he was not raised Christian and, it appears, he was not Barack Hussein Obama.

    The evidence of the candidate's un-American, un-Christian upbringing is nothing new, and has been documented by bloggers as early as 2007 and by Israel Insider in our very first report on this subject in June of this year. But until now the photograph of his school record has been lacking. The image is dated from 2007 and was apparently taken to accompany an AP article that appeared in January of that year. Ironically, that article was about how Obama was rejecting the untrue charge that the public school he attended was a radical Indonesian madrassa.

    Some excerpts:

    "We will not be swift-boated," said Obama communications director Robert Gibbs. "And we won't take allegations that are patently untrue lying down."

    "Obama's mother, divorced from Obama's father, married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro, and the family relocated to the country from 1967-71. At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisis, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather. The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering -- Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim."

    Gibbs may not have been sure, but it appears that the Obama campaign made sure that this image did not see the light of day, because the photographic listing of the candidate, even as a child, as an Indonesian whose religion was Islam was worth, well, a thousand words. "Senator Obama has never been a Muslim," Gibbs said in the article. "As a six-year-old in Catholic school, he studied the catechism."

    That may be Gibbs' assertion, but evidence from grown-up school chums of little Barry Soetoro indicates that he studied, and excelled in, the teachings of the Koran in the original Arabic and could recite the Shehada, the Islamic article of faith, by heart, and with a decent tune, according to the New York Times roving columnist Nicholas Kristof, to whom "Obama" remarked that the sound of the Muslim call to prayer was one of the world's most beautiful sounds.

    The AP article quoted Iis Darmawan, 63, Obama's kindergarten teacher, who "remembers him as an exceptionally tall and curly haired child who quickly picked up the local language and had sharp math skills. 'He wrote an essay titled, "I Want To Become President,"' the teacher said." She didn't indicate which country he wanted to become president of.

    The AP caption reads: "This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam. (AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)" Syuflana is a well-known and frequently published photographer, specializing in Indonesia.

    A representative of the AP confirmed that the photo is authentic.

    The most damaging revelation in the AP photo (registration required to see the large-scale image. A derived image is here.) may turn out to be the listing of his name as Barry Soetoro. It has been reported that he used the name Barack Hussein Obama and failed to mention Barry Soetoro when asked to provide any former names. (He reportedly also did not respond honestly when answering negatively to a question concerning illegal drug use, which he has since admitted.) It is believed that failure to report his previous name is not an isolated instance, and may have contributed to the perceived need to manufacture a forged birth certificate listing Obama's preferred identity as if it were present from the start.

    The listing of Barry Soetoro as a Muslim contradicts what appears on his campaign's Fight the Smears website, where he says that "I have never been a Muslim." In a private meeting with Jewish leaders in February, Obama emphatically re-stated the claim, but with a bit of a twist, declaring: "I am not, nor have I ever been, a Muslim (especially an anti-American one)."

    Does the candidate protest too much here? Indeed, he is echoing language used in the 1950s by those who denied Communist ties. No one is claiming, here, that Obama is anti-American. But the image of his school registration doesn't lie, and indicates clearly that he was registered as a Muslim, and thus, despite the claim of his spokesman, he didn't study the catechism. Barry Soetoro studied the Koran.

    On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question: "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President of the United States?"

    To run for the highest office you have to be a "natural born" citizen.

    In his ruling, Judge Surrick noted that the "...cause came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on defendant Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee's motion to dismiss." The order continued, "Having reviewed the motion and plaintiff's opposition to said motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ordered that the motion to dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is denied. It is further order of this court that the following discovery is to be turned over to plaintiff within three (3) days.

    1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) birth certificate; and
    2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
    3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."

    The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a pregnant white wife who was close to term.)

    Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned to Hawaii.

    Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered her son's live birth as an event which had just happened—in Hawaii. This supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.

    While the Internet screamed that the birth certificate, which appeared on the Obama Campaign's "Fight The Smears" website and was also downloaded and used by far left blogger Markos Zuniga on his website, Daily Kos, it was not an electronic image concocted by Daily KOs as was hypothesized by a self-described cyvbersleuth who uses the cyber pseudonym Techdude. It was the real McCoy—even if it was issued as a political favor to a prospective Democratic presidential candidate by a Democrat official in Hawaii. The county clerk who issued the document, which purports to be a copy of an original document, was date stamped "Nov. 6, 2007" on the reverse side of the birth certificate in blue ink which bled through and is visible on the front of the electronic image.

    The story goes on to say that Obama's grandmother, half sister and half brother all say he was born in Kenya. They have no reason to lie- quite the reverse.

    So now will the so-called guardians of our freedom - ha ha ha - the main media of the world, start to earn their inflated salaries and investigate these seemingly well researched claims? Don't hold your breath, as Obama is both a Democrat and utterly politically correct. Therefore he must be perfect.....AF.

    http://web.israelinsider.com/...

    http://www.thefreepressonline...
  • raves     [-] by cosell20

    Answered obama

    Why the Hell would I vote for Bush aka McCain again!!!
  • raves     [-] A replied to cosell20
    Bush protected you when terroist's bombed America.
  • raves +1   [-] by obamaisajoke08

    Answered mccain

    moderated...
  • raves     [-] by CJ

    Answered obama

    Clearly the better, more competent and capable of restoring the power and strength of governance to the middle-class (where it belongs!) McCain offers more of the same, tired, divisive, dysfunctional policies we've suffered under the last 8 years. Why would anyone out in the heartland of this country vote for what McCain offers: more failed trickle-down economics, saber-rattling, lies and incompetence? Obama/Biden offer a practical, pragmatic vision for the future, the GOP and McCain/Palin offer nothing new.
  • raves +1   [-] by babydoll

    Answered mccain

    McCain is the only logical choice. Obama would not even salutr our flag, why should he even be given a chance to run for president!!!!!!!!!!!
  • raves     [-] CJ replied to babydoll
    That old b.s. about Obama not saluting the flag is stupid. Of course he salutes the flag, says the pledge of allegiance, and loves this country. If he didn't he sure as hell wouldn't be subjecting himself to stupid comments like yours!
  • raves +2   [-] by roadtripgirl

    Answered mccain

    Voters should do their own homework instead of letting the media do it for them and report their slant. Most of the rhetoric here sounds like a sound bite from television.
    Before you go to the polls and cast your vote, have the intelligence to do your own research and don't get caught up in the frenzy of this election. The campaigns on both sides are shameless; but pay attention. They always are. I think I've probably been voting longer than most at this forum, so you don't have the history, but trust me. It's been cut throat since I can remember and before.
    Vote on the platform, not the personality. I don't say the person isn't important, but what they stand for and their voting record is the only true measure we have.
  • raves     [-] CJ replied to roadtripgirl
    Roadtripgirl, Just wanted to say that while I totally disagree with your choice of candidate, I appreciate your rational, thoughtful post! I too feel citizens should do their own research and not be told what to think by the talking heads. I started out very skeptical of Obama and generally leaning towards McCain, unfortunately the nature of his campaign, the hate and fear mongering, and the flip-flops from his original positions has me strongly supporting Obama. I don't think McCain is a bad man, but I do think he chose a very bad running-mate and he has switched his core values for political purposes. Anyway, I agree that every voter has a responsibility to educate him/herself and should vote the issues NOT personality.
  • raves     [-] Robin Ramirez replied to roadtripgirl
    to change the platform. McCain lost a lot of women votes(mine being one of them) when he picked that right wing crazy as a V.P. She does not even believe in global warming, The right for a women to choose, and that it is gods will we are at war.
  • raves +2   [-] by nuggums

    Answered obama

    mccain is running out of tricks and cannot address the issues we face today. he is "skiddish" and scarry. he only thinks about the was and is obsessed. yes, let's give him credit for his courage and dedication for his involvement in the military, but he does'nt have a clue how to run this country other than to follow in the footsteps of the man he has supported all these years, george bush. obama truly understands the needs of the american people and will work with others who have similiar concerns to the betterment of our nation. i like his approach which is to discuss rather than bully. we can all see where this bully attitude has got us. right into a war we should have never been in and have still not caught the people responsible for this action. the republicans get 1 idea and stay stuck on stupid. it was bush sr. who started this issue of war with iran and supported his son to finish the war, that sr. did not have an opportunity to finish, and now bush jr. has not finished either and i guess it's mccain's turn to try to blunde the situation until we have neg. allies all over the world. wake up america and stand behind the candidate that is going to keep us safe at home and abroad. barack obama, YES
  • raves     [-] A replied to nuggums
    Tricks? he needs to expose Obama.
  • raves +1   [-] by moggie

    Answered mccain

    Every one has their opinion .heres mine. I think that McCain is the best man for the Job. he is more ecperienced and he cares about the american way of life. Obama has an agenda and he doesn't have the American people's needs in mind. It doesn't matter if you are a Republican or a Democrat. the better candidate is McCain. he is for all Americans. with McCain and Palin in the White house . america will get back on track and change will come. good change. not the kind of change that Obama wants to bring to our world. McCain is the answer. wake up people. before it is to late. VOTE McCAIN AND PALIN. FOR ALL AMERICANS.
  • raves +3 -1 [-] by Naj16131