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raves +3 posted Sep 07, 2008 06:39AM GMT (edited)
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What a bout Valhalla? The fact is that the concepts of heaven and hell are just one notion of the after life. Even those concepts differ widely among Judeo Christians. The concept of hell has certainly morphed many times over the last thousand year and wasn't really even discussed much in the Jewish Bible. Of course this all presumes that there IS an after life. What is the word for belief without proof?
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raves +3 Sep 09, 2008 02:41AM GMTactually,, if you go to google and type in 'near death experinces' theres a whole website with hundreds of storys about what people have experinced when dying. Most interesting to me is the inordinant number of pastors and ministers who discover 'hell' while the average person does not.
I tend to disbelieve this is their desire to 'prove' its real to people and more likely that just as we create our own hell on earth during life if we choose to focus on only negative things..... we do this as well when we die. So they probably DID find a hellish place, simply because they really believed they would and that they deserved no better. Happyness, anger, sadness.. its all a choice we make every day, every moment. To say its not is to deny ones own power and hand it over to whatever or whom ever you claim is forcing you to feel miserable... no? -
raves +3 Sep 09, 2008 02:56AM GMTan interesting thing about that topic is that test subjects for high altitude testing by NASA and the military have reported experiences that are identical to the "near death" experience. It was generally attributed to the body/brain sensing dangerous changes and turning off certain functions in an attempt to keep vital processes going.
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raves +2 Sep 09, 2008 03:05AM GMT (edited)yeahhhhh,, Iv heard that too.
Do you remeber though a few years ago that new surgery where the doctor goes in , puts the patient to sleep.. hooks up brain wave monitors galore, chills the patient with ice while recurculating the blood through a bypass machine to make sure the cooling is slow and gradual.. then drains all the blood,, then shocks the heart to stop it from beating...... all the the plan of opening the skull to take out an anurism?
The patient is clinically dead with no decernable brainwave activity for a good perioud of time in a 'lab/operating' situation with multiple specialists on hand to observe and attest the patient WAS clincially and litterally 'dead'. Remeber, theres no blood even in the brain not to mention electrical activity...
The first gal to have that done has her story on that near death .com site too... her specialist wrote a book about it he was so shocked. Pretty good reading if your ever curiouse heres a link to a good sized clip from the book he wrote..
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raves +1 Sep 07, 2008 06:42AM GMT (edited)sorry, I tried to figure out what you were saying but failed. Something about energy not changing. Not sure what energy your refer to. Yes our bodies use electrical impulses, but these are not stored in any significant way...certainly not after death.
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raves +2 Sep 07, 2008 02:15PM GMTthe energy is refered to as things like ki an chi to understand must be a physical experience not mental an if the thought of a warriors paradise is acceptale then the idea that within our bodys is an energy capable of improving physical abilitys shouldnt be so far away but i supose that without the physical link it would be hard to grasp
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raves +2 Sep 09, 2008 02:37AM GMT (edited)interesting conversation you two..... you know.. really if its just the 'name' that bothers you yukkione... you can call it ki, chemcial electricity, or 'living waters'.. I preffer living waters. Christ called it the 'holy ghost'.... I dont relate it to 'god' though unless you think God is the power source from which all life exists, the milkyway galaxy's physical energy. Wouldnt christians just be f $ked up to discover the milkyway was God? lol.. yes Im a gnostic christian .. and thats what I tend to believe.. but I dont think it (conciouse electricity/energy) has got an agenda.. I think this is just one of many experinces its having.
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What a bout Valhalla? The fact is that the concepts of heaven and hell are just one notion of the after life. Even those concepts differ widely among Judeo Christians. The concept of hell has certainly morphed many times over the last thousand year and wasn't really even discussed much in the Jewish Bible. Of course this all presumes that there IS an after life. What is the word for belief without proof?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...