Oct 09, 2008 06:01PM GMT
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Politics - Other
Glenn Beck, CNN, threatened to kill Michael Moore or have him killed. He claimed it was all just for fun and should be taken as humorous. What do you think? Is all fair in love and politics?
More recently, at a Palin speech, a man in the crowd shouted, "Kill him," in response to a slimy, exaggerated claim made by Sarah Palin, that Barack Obama as a man who pals around with terrorists (former 60s Weatherman, now professor and housing activist, William Ayers). Was this dangerous tactic justified in light of the fact that several prominent republicans, including Former Senator Diana Nelson have since put that claim to rest - "Regardless of his background, it was never a problem for anyone — including Republicans and Chicago's most powerful business leaders — to work with Ayers on Chicago's public schools. In fact, Ayers is widely respected in the field of urban education.' NPR"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier," said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. "It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."
What kind of dangerous game is being played here? If someone gets killed or injured, should they be held partly responsible?
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raves posted Oct 10, 2008 03:47AM GMT
Answered No, Beck and Palin have a right to free speech.
i Love glenn you cant really take him seriously he knows what he is talking about when he talks but seriously that man makes fun of our country and the way its ran yes it maybe that way but hes making his own country look bad even though the government makes bad choices its still America and i love my county no matter what i do not like micael moore -
raves Oct 10, 2008 03:47PM GMT (edited)Are there no lines? If someone from the left jokingly said he's like to watch the look on your kid's face while he strangled him or her to death, would that not be a bit over the top?? You may not like Moore, but he has a mother, too, and if I were her, I'd be worried sick.
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raves +2 posted Oct 10, 2008 03:08AM GMT
Answered Yes, they are delibrately misleading the public to potentially violent ends.
They are playing a dangerous game and if anyone gets hurt because of it, I hope they are made to pay. I don't understand why that guy wasn't arrested that said "kill him" in the palin crowd ! -
raves Oct 29, 2008 10:40PM GMT (edited)Mabe because it never happened.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, afte...Mabe because it never happened.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”
“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.
Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.
When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”
Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.(less) -
raves +1 posted Oct 10, 2008 02:38AM GMT
Answered None of the above
In the abstract I agree that everyone is entitled to speak their mind whatever they might think. However in this particularly perverted time, when social and political polarization is so great, opinions are so strong and tension is so high, people with microphones have to understand that things can happen. Beck should keep in mind that if he were to utter something like this and Moore were to be hit by a car or or befall some other accident, he'd be a suspect and would be investigated fairly relentlessly. -
raves +1 Oct 10, 2008 03:56PM GMTIt's not that you let it slip at work to friends whoknow you. It's being a media person with a large national following and a microphone and saying something to God knows who - maybe a nutter. Recently, a Unitarian Church was shot up, one person killed, another fatally wounded, an entire congregation traumatized. The shooter's apartment was full of right wing hate books - O'Reilly, Savage, etc. claiming left wing people were like a virus and should be wiped out. Which of them should be held accountable?
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raves posted Oct 10, 2008 12:33AM GMT
Answered Undecided
Glenn Beck has ADD. Have you ever heard his talk show? He meant that about as much as Howard Stern and his rantings.
Someone should not say those things but Pat Robertson said the leader of Venezuela should be assassinated. I think all dictators that do despicable evil of genocide and oppression should cease to exist. That doesn't mean I'm threatening them Cm'on people!
The FBI I'm sure has been investigating. It's not the same as going on a plane and saying I have a bomb. No room for joking there. -
raves Oct 10, 2008 04:07PM GMTExactly, it's the scope of the man's influence - that he's putting it out to the entire population - whoever - planting the seeds. In Pensacola, FL, and elsewhere, several abortion doctors were murdered. A conservative Christian group had put the doctors photos, names and addresses on "Wanted" posters and distributed them on the internet and at rallies. Read this:
Abortion foes' wanted posters, Web site are 'true threats'
By The Associated Press
05.17.02
"SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that anti-abortion activists who created Wild West-style posters and a Web site targeting abortion doctors are liable because their works were illegal threats and not free speech.
But the sharply divided 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, while calling the works "a true threat," ordered a Portland, Ore., federal judge to reduce the $108.5 million in punitive damages a jury awarded to four abortion doctors and two clinics who sued a dozen abortion foes.
The 6-5 ruling by the full appeals court reverses a March 2001 decision by a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit and upholds a 1994 federal law that makes it illegal to incite violence and threaten abortion doctors.
Many members of Congress and others had said that if the three-judge panel’s ru...Exactly, it's the scope of the man's influence - that he's putting it out to the entire population - whoever - planting the seeds. In Pensacola, FL, and elsewhere, several abortion doctors were murdered. A conservative Christian group had put the doctors photos, names and addresses on "Wanted" posters and distributed them on the internet and at rallies. Read this:
Abortion foes' wanted posters, Web site are 'true threats'
By The Associated Press
05.17.02
"SAN FRANCISCO — A federal appeals court ruled yesterday that anti-abortion activists who created Wild West-style posters and a Web site targeting abortion doctors are liable because their works were illegal threats and not free speech.
But the sharply divided 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, while calling the works "a true threat," ordered a Portland, Ore., federal judge to reduce the $108.5 million in punitive damages a jury awarded to four abortion doctors and two clinics who sued a dozen abortion foes.
The 6-5 ruling by the full appeals court reverses a March 2001 decision by a three-judge panel of the 9th Circuit and upholds a 1994 federal law that makes it illegal to incite violence and threaten abortion doctors.
Many members of Congress and others had said that if the three-judge panel’s ruling had stood, the Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act would have been gutted.
Four doctors testified they feared for their lives, and sued under racketeering laws and the 1994 law that makes it illegal to incite violence against abortion doctors. During trial, targeted abortion doctors testified they used disguises, bodyguards and bulletproof vests, and instructed their children to crouch in the bathtub if they heard gunfire.
"I think it says for the abortion and non-abortion community, if you threaten to kill somebody, the law is not going to protect you," said Maria Vullo, an attorney for Planned Parenthood.
Planned Parenthood, an abortion provider, and the doctors were portrayed on Old West-style "wanted" posters passed out at rallies and featured on the Nuremberg Files, a Web site that listed abortion providers' names and addresses and declared them guilty of crimes against humanity. ..."(less) -
raves Oct 10, 2008 08:39PM GMT (edited)Right! Such as burning the flag is stupid and has no valid point that will influence my thinking about America.
This is from a bizarre web site that I was to. I love bizarre web sites.
Was said about Glenn Beck:
The other type of 9/11 conspiracy email you dipshits keep sending is the $20 dollar WTC conspiracy. Glenn Beck--a loud-mouthed, fat-faced asshole on CNN--has a copy of it on his website: -
raves +3
Answered None of the above
You can be put in jail if you threaten someones life! This should be taken seriously!