Oct 09, 2008 06:01PM GMT
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Politics - Other
Glenn Beck, CNN, threatened to kill Michael Moore or have him killed. He claimed it was all just for fun and should be taken as humorous. What do you think? Is all fair in love and politics?
More recently, at a Palin speech, a man in the crowd shouted, "Kill him," in response to a slimy, exaggerated claim made by Sarah Palin, that Barack Obama as a man who pals around with terrorists (former 60s Weatherman, now professor and housing activist, William Ayers). Was this dangerous tactic justified in light of the fact that several prominent republicans, including Former Senator Diana Nelson have since put that claim to rest - "Regardless of his background, it was never a problem for anyone — including Republicans and Chicago's most powerful business leaders — to work with Ayers on Chicago's public schools. In fact, Ayers is widely respected in the field of urban education.' NPR"It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier," said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. "It's ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It's nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It's so silly."
What kind of dangerous game is being played here? If someone gets killed or injured, should they be held partly responsible?
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raves +1 posted Oct 29, 2008 10:03PM GMT
Answered None of the above
The "Kill him at the Palin rally is just another of the slimy lies that the left loves to put out at truth. According to the non partisan Secret Service, the one who will be tasked with protecting a President Obama, it was thoroughly investigated and was unfounded. Check it out.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undi...The "Kill him at the Palin rally is just another of the slimy lies that the left loves to put out at truth. According to the non partisan Secret Service, the one who will be tasked with protecting a President Obama, it was thoroughly investigated and was unfounded. Check it out.
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”
“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.
Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.
When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”
Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.(less) -
raves Oct 29, 2008 10:38PM GMTIf it is not true, then I am relieved. Thank you for shedding light on this horrible report. The crowds I have seen at Palin gatherings are scary enough. Her rhetoric is incendiary. Then, you have the skin heads plotting to kill Obama and all the hate talk on right wing talk radio. The ugly interviews of FOX - do you not wonder about the political climate that is being whipped up?? That is why I posted the question. To get all decent people to say, "Enough." To get all of us to turn off that mindless, hateful, adrenaline-producing ranting that posses as political discourse before somebody gets killed. I have not seen this from the Obama gatherings - he is not focused on character assination.
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raves +1 posted Oct 14, 2008 03:06AM GMT
Answered Yes, they are delibrately misleading the public to potentially violent ends.
Glenn Beck is a scumbag, and you can better believe that if the tables were turned and some liberal made the same comment about Ann Coulter, Rush Limptard, or some other conservative skank, the right would be foaming at the mouth. -
raves Oct 30, 2008 10:18PM GMTI can't say enough bad about him. His spoiled life, his failed careers, his audacity to use relligion as an election tool, his allowing Cheney to make a puppet of him and a mockery of the Constitution and the balance of powers, his bullcrap war, his privatizaton, his rich pals - from "Kenny Boy" Enron to "Brownie" Katrina Fema failure, his torture policy, his destruction of a fine general's career (Powell), his economic policies (what's regulation?), his environmental policies, Guantanamo, his destabilizing of the Justice Department (get those federal judges), his whole lying spin team (Rove, Reid, Delay - yuk, where's the soap?), his packing the Supreme Court with underqualified right wingers who put corporate before the individual, the national debt, the housing crisis, on and on - Not one good thing. Back to balance.
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raves +1 posted Oct 13, 2008 11:07PM GMT
Answered No, Beck and Palin have a right to free speech.
Shades of the kettle calling the pot black. When there was a hue and cry about having GW Bush be assisinated, no one spoke a word against it. Now, the shoe is on the other foot, and everyone is beating their breast and crying foul. I have another one that I would suggest somebody to shoot down like a dog, that would be Bill Ayers. If anybody deserves to die, it would be him. -
raves Oct 15, 2008 03:18PM GMTI don't recall anyone talking about what great fun it would be to kill Bush - or hire out the job - and fputting it on the radio or TV for entertainment. Bill Ayers paid his dues and has probably done a more for the US at this time than you have. Have you read all the great things republicans have said about working with him? Read former republican senator, Diana Nelson's comments for starts!
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raves +1 Oct 17, 2008 09:07PM GMTSarah, Sarah, Sarah; Where have you been? You must have been asleep when Bill Ayers blew up all those places. And, you must have been asleep when he said he didn't do enough. And, you must have been asleep when he took a picture of himself, stepping on the American flag and said, and I quote "guilty as hell, but free as a bird, what a country". You sound like somebody, when somebody got blown up said "whew, glad it wasn't me"
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raves Oct 20, 2008 09:38PM GMTNot asleep. Not an Ayers fan, either, but I don't think this is a pressing issue. Got more on my mind than digging up old 60s stuff for propaganda purposes. Even if yers did whatever, Obama didn't meet him 'til he was straightened up and "palling around" with lots of politicians - republicans included. I'm sure some of my friends have skeletons. What do you think of Bush and his war? Of all the American dead and wounded and Iraqi dead and wounded because, oops! no weapons of mass destruction. How many other dictators deserve to go? So, we should invade half the world to fix it and then what? Can't even fix Iraq or justify what we did or why we did it.
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raves +1 Oct 22, 2008 03:29PM GMTSarah; Again, let me ask you a question. Had McCain or Sarah Palin palled around with , say, David Duke, of the KKK, or someone that used to be in the Nazi Party, but has, now qoute, "seen the light". Do you think everyone in the left would have hung that around the McCain and Palin neck like a dead chicken? Of course they would have. And as for no WMD in Iraq, Sarah, my dear, they found 500 tons of processed uranium in Iraq, this was shipped to Canada. Check this out before you open your mouth and be found out how wrong you are. Sadaam Hussien was planning to attack everyone in the Middle East to controll 60% of the known oil reserves in the world. Sarah, those people owe us a blood debt for killing over 3,000 of our people, or don't those people count? According to you, they don't.
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raves Oct 22, 2008 04:15PM GMTParties will dig up whatever dirt they can. It's the spinning I don't like. I'll decide for myself what Obama's association with Ayers means to me. McCain's been involved with a lot of unsavory people - like the Keating scandal bunch and the crazy minister, Hagee - but, I'm no fool to be led around by either party's PR team. Keating was long ago and the man owned up to it - fair enough. The minister is a kook - you can't always screen who gets in your camp. WMD is a dead issue because the CIA says it is and said it was at the time. Lots of countries have worse, including Russia, India, Pakistan, North Korea, etc. We're not invading every threatening country. They were absolutely not considered a risk by our people before we invaded to get their oil. I checked it out years ago and so did the US military and the intelligence community - read the report before you open anything. I have a military man living with me at the moment. I'm sure you'd be able to convince him of how little I care. Hell, I want the troops home so no more will be killed. I don't believe in the war in Iraq. We needed to pursue Bin Laden into Afghanistan. Now, it's a mess.
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raves +1 Oct 25, 2008 05:33PM GMTSarah, Sarah, Sarah; Let me remind you of a little history. I was there living it. I'm a lot older than you. In the '30's, Hitler was taking over countries, !st. the Rhineland, then Austria, then Czeckoslavakia. No one, but a few people, said anything about it. Those that argued for confronting Hitler was called a drunk, a warmonger and much worse. Mussolini conquered Abbysinia, no one said a word, except for a few war mongers and drunks. Japan made war in Asia (China). Again, on one said anything except for the war mongers and drunks. When Hitler started killing the jews, all that was said was, hey, they're only Jews, there are too many of them any way. When Japan was killing chinese, the same thing was said. Oh, that drunken war monger's name was Winston Churchill. When these three countries finished digesting the countries they've swallowed up, they came for us. WW2. You have to confront the bullies, whether in the nieghborhood or country before they become so strong that it will start WW3.
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raves +1 posted Oct 11, 2008 10:19PM GMT
Answered Yes, they are delibrately misleading the public to potentially violent ends.
I am not a Michael Moore fan, but hate mongering never serves our country well. Beck should be fired and Palin should be sent back to Alaska. What McCain and Palin are doing is inciting mob behavior and this is not the leadership America needs. -
raves Oct 17, 2008 09:16PM GMTCielo, I see. According to you, it's only hate mongering if a conservative says it. But, If a liberal says something despicable, why, it's just freedom of speech. As for mob incitement during the Palin speech, again, none of the secret services, and anyone else, for that matter, heard that, except for the reporter that reported it. You think that maybe he was the one who hollered it out, so he can report thet someone said it? How about the T-Shirt saying something like "Sarah is a cunt". I guess, it's just freedom of speech to you?
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raves Oct 29, 2008 10:29PM GMTThat's right Gingerbread. Here's a full report on that. (By the way, your posts are awsome. I'm an old dude myself)
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesd...That's right Gingerbread. Here's a full report on that. (By the way, your posts are awsome. I'm an old dude myself)
Secret Service says "Kill him" allegation unfounded
By Andrew M. Seder aseder@timesleader.com
Staff Writer
SCRANTON – The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.
The Scranton Times-Tribune first reported the alleged incident on its Web site Tuesday and then again in its print edition Wednesday. The first story, written by reporter David Singleton, appeared with allegations that while congressional candidate Chris Hackett was addressing the crowd and mentioned Obama’s name a man in the audience shouted “kill him."
News organizations including ABC, The Associated Press, The Washington Monthly and MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann reported the claim, with most attributing the allegations to the Times-Tribune story.
Agent Bill Slavoski said he was in the audience, along with an undisclosed number of additional secret service agents and other law enforcement officers and not one heard the comment.
“I was baffled,” he said after reading the report in Wednesday’s Times-Tribune.
He said the agency conducted an investigation Wednesday, after seeing the story, and could not find one person to corroborate the allegation other than Singleton.
Slavoski said more than 20 non-security agents were interviewed Wednesday, from news media to ordinary citizens in attendance at the rally for the Republican vice presidential candidate held at the Riverfront Sports Complex. He said Singleton was the only one to say he heard someone yell “kill him.”
“We have yet to find someone to back up the story,” Slavoski said. “We had people all over and we have yet to find anyone who said they heard it.”
Hackett said he did not hear the remark.
Slavoski said Singleton was interviewed Wednesday and stood by his story but couldn’t give a description of the man because he didn’t see him he only heard him.
When contacted Wednesday afternoon, Singleton referred questions to Times-Tribune Metro Editor Jeff Sonderman. Sonderman said, “We stand by the story. The facts reported are true and that’s really all there is.”
Slavoski said the agents take such threats or comments seriously and immediately opened an investigation but after due diligence “as far as we’re concerned it’s closed unless someone comes forward.” He urged anyone with knowledge of the alleged incident to call him at 346-5781. “We’ll run at all leads,” he said.(less) -
raves Nov 02, 2008 02:43PM GMTEvan; I lived through the 30's and 40's, and the liberals were saying the same thing that they are spouting now. "If we disarm, then no one will attack us. Because all we want is peace, and the rest of the world will realize that". If anyone says anything opposite of that is a "Nazi warmonger". Oh, in those days, the liberal press was in the forefront of the disarmament gig. Same as today. They also made up stories about people that thought different from them, just like today. As it was in those days, there were a whole lot of the intelectual elites that believed the garbage the liberal press were saying, just like today. You would think that this generation would have learned something from history. But, I forget, our schools are also preaching what the liberal press is saying. I think we are going to have to re-live what happened before, until we learn. We're in for a long night, just like the 30's and 40's.
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raves Nov 02, 2008 08:09PM GMTYou're very wise and have lived a lot of history. It's obvious that you have learned much . Not just become older. It's amazing how some can become no wiser for their years, and some have wisdom beyond their years. I've met some young soldiers that make me feel better about the future. Funny how two people can go through the same life experience, and come out the other end of it, reaching opposite conclusions about their journey. Take care friend.
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raves Nov 04, 2008 04:42PM GMT
Answered None of the above
You can be put in jail if you threaten someones life! This should be taken seriously!