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September 11, 2001. Conspiracy or Terrorists?

I'm sure there are varying opinions on here, especially if any of you have seen Loose Change. Don't get all emotional about it or anything. Simply give your answer and why.
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raves +19 -1 by ronin

Answered I have seen justifiable evidence of both, but here is what I think...

We're never going to know for sure, so all we have is idle speculation. What we DO know:
1. Bush was warned of an attack months ahead of time and did nothing.
2. planes were making u-turns for no apparent reason and NORAD did nothing.
3. The airforce was doing training exercises in NYC the day before, and easily could have been scrambled
4. We were hit on Bush's watch and he and his buddies (including McCain) been capitalizing on it ever since.
5. Bush/Cheney have clear ties to the bin Laden family.
6. it's 7 years later and we haven't managed to find a 6'4" Muslim dragging a dialysis machine from cave to cave
7. After the attack, we were told to do two things: be afraid and go shopping.
8. Since the attacks, we have seen the steady evisceration of the protections afforded to individual citizens by the Bill of Rights.

Conspiracy? Maybe not... but certainly OPPORTUNISM.
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  • raves +1   [-] by chexmix

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    ... because seriously, shut up about conspiracies.
  • raves +1   [-] by andypandy

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    give me a break
  • raves +3   [-] by PaulMagillSmith

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    There are just too many unanswered questions that need to be addressed for a short answer. Three quick ones are: 1) Why did the Bush administration block an investigatin for over a year?, 2) Why was all the physical evidence so hurriedly & secretively hauled away from the crime scene?, and 3) Why have only 5 frames of video been released, although there were 80+ cameras constantly filming around the Pentagon?

    The Official 911 Commission report excluded vital pertinent testimony, and a new more comprehensive one is necessary & demanded by millions in this country. Why is this administration so terrified of a new inquiry?
  • raves +3   [-] by KimL

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    if I was told that the World Trade Center was hit by a plane first thing we all did was jump out of our seat and find a tv, what did our president do sit quietly in a classroom.
  • raves +3   [-] by mlmr

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    Because either way you slice it there were people conspiring to crash planes into a building. For whatever theory you subscribe, it took a coordinated effort.
  • raves +1   [-] by Cat092059

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    too much evidence to suggest otherwise
  • raves +1 -1 [-] by Hen Scratcj

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    It's hard not to get emotional about something like this. It is absolutely amazing that "some people" use this to try to get back in charge of the government. The only thing different the Dems would have done would be to say if we did catch Osama Bin Lauden, we would put him on trial and I promise you we would have been hit again by now.
  • raves +3 -1 [-] Sue replied to Hen Scratcj
    The Dems would NOT have convinced the ignorant majority that Iraq had anything to do with it. They used this tragedy as an excuse to start a war for oil and to line the pockets of idiot, insane W, and his crronies
  • raves +3   [-] by MrNoodle

    Answered I have seen justifiable evidence of both, but here is what I think...

    The biggest cause wasthe Bush Administration's failure to act on urgent warnings from the CIA- "Terrorists Poised to strike US with Airplanes".
    Bush ignored the warnings which were 3 months before the attacks.
  • raves +1   [-] by JP ISO 2012

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    because its the truth
  • raves +2   [-] by logan

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    bush had set it up to go to war because he has oil and he chould raise it
  • raves +7   [-] by jersey girl

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    Who believes the official fairytale? Only those that aren't paying attention. From that day on I knew something was horribly wrong. No planes scrambled when 4 planes go off course. The last one crashing into the most protected building in the world? Bldg 7 falling down for absolutely no reason. Bush sitting in that classroom after Andy Card told him the country is under attack? Then Bush didn't want to investigate !!! Come on people, wake up !!
  • raves     [-] by Bill

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    No comment.
  • raves +2 -1 [-] by dmckp

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    Anyone who believes conspiracy theories needs his/her head examined
  • raves +1 -1 [-] by alo

    Answered None of the above

    only an idiot would think it was anything but terrorists
  • raves +2   [-] by chief

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    to many factors about the fall of the buildings. what bush was doing that day before the towers where hit. basicly everything that went wrong was staged...war games taht day....no plane at the pentegon because it was hit by something else...a plane hitting a biulding that vaporizes the plain but not the bodys of people is bullshit...this country is extremely corrupt.
  • raves +1   [-] by Ohio girl

    Answered None of the above

    I'm not sure what to think. I've read enough books to know that things aren't always what they appear. Who knows?
  • raves +3   [-] by TRUKRETSEB

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    I have read the facts and the articles refuting the conspiracy theory...
  • raves +2   [-] by d

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    from everything i have read and studied the past few years i truly believe it was a conspiracy
  • raves +7   [-] by tspoon

    Answered Conspiracy, because...

    I don't believe buildings can fall like that. Not even one, let alone three. The precision in demolition required for that type of collaspe that perfect could not accidentally happen. The variables are much too precise. Those planes in my opinion had nothing to do with the collaspe of those buildings. When everyone is dead from this generation that matters, the Zapruder film of 9-11-01 will surface. We will never be told the truth. Gullable believe anything, Flag waving america will never have the balls to demand the real truth behind the tragic day of 9-11-01. Osama and weaponsof mass destruction will suffice, just like the single bullet theory in the assasination of John F. Kennedy.
  • raves     [-] pbird49 replied to tspoon
    Precise variables?
    I think your engineering degree may have expired. Just how do you think a building falls? Away from the gravitational effects? Or maybe it follows the path of greatest resistance? Do you understand anything about light weigth concretes, flexture vs compression strengths, load bearing members or transfer?

    It always amazes me how the opinions of those who are Zapruderized or U-tubed can be so far off actual ...never mind. Believe what you want.
  • raves +3   [-] by proud2b

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    Jeez Guys Someones got way too much time on their hands, I saw a show on this that made absolutely NO SENSE AT ALL. Straw grasping is the countries new past time I guess.
  • raves +1   [-] by unicorn66

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    How about we try to get Bin Laden to comment on this!
  • raves     [-] alazyangel replied to unicorn66
    Ya, he must be hella pissed off when we are saying he was not involved. There goes his chance at the virgins~
    hahahahaha
  • raves     [-] ciskederat replied to unicorn66
    That's a good one ! I like that !! Yes, let's do that !!!
  • raves     [-] by Betty

    Answered I have seen justifiable evidence of both, but here is what I think...

    It's a conspiracy of terrorists

    the world suffers from testosterone poisoning
  • raves     [-] pbird49 replied to Betty
    yes. Yes it does.
  • raves +2   [-] by Fil Flarn

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    1.) Jews and Muslims have been fighting for thousands of years do you honestly believe that the Jews could have persuaded the muslims to do this for them?
    2.)If George Bush had wanted a reason to go to war he had one with Saddam, remember those U.N. agreements with Iraq that Saddam disregarded?
    3.) The Terrorists and Radical Islam Hate America. Always have. They hate the freedoms we have, the right to practice any religion we want. They want world domination and had been attacking us since the 1990's.

    So the answer is no. The only conspiracy here is the one where the Communists are trying to take over the U.S. through the environmental and liberal movements.
  • raves +2   [-] by scottfreebie

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    it is obvious. Terrorism has been around forever. It was and is the liberals who have done nothing to stop it.
  • raves +1   [-] by alazyangel

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    It was terrorists, do you REALLY think Bush is capable of coming up with this. Ya, most likely not. Plus, our government has made some other countries and people VERY mad in regards to our efforts of 'helping,' whereby we are actually screwing them out of their resources.

    It was real and still is....
    Sorry to the conspiracy peeps.
  • raves     [-] darkshadow replied to alazyangel
    Not jr. but sr. is capable of coming up with this.
  • raves +1   [-] by Mike

    Answered Terrorists, because....

    Nobody in Washington appears able to keep a secret. Someone would have gone public if it was a conspiracy. Also, Bush & Co. aren't competent enough to pull it off.
  • raves     [-] Ron replied to Mike