Apr 20, 2008 08:18PM GMT
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Children's hospital launches sex change program for kids 10 to 14 yrs old 'This isn't conjecture, it's happening now' Do you agree with this?
Children's hospital launches sex change for kids program'This isn't conjecture, it's happening now'
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Posted: April 19, 2008
11:45 pm Eastern
By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
A doctor at the renowned Children's Hospital Boston has launched a new program to drug children to delay puberty so they can decide whether they want a male or a female body, according to a report today in the Boston Globe.
Pediatric endocrinologist Norman Spack, 64, says he started the Gender Management Service Clinic because he found himself encountering 20-somethings who were "transgendered" and in good shape socially, "but they were having trouble getting their physique to conform to their identity.
"I knew the 20-somethings could have better chances of passing if they were treated earlier," he said.
"We don't think that demonic is too strong a word to describe this," said a statement from the pro-family Mass Resistance organization. "It brings us thoughts of the Nazi doctors who thought they were doing good things."
WND has reported previously on some of the controversies prompted by the belief that a man can be born in a woman's body, or vice versa, including in Montgomery County, Md., where county officials have adopted a law that precludes those who provide public accommodations from discriminating based on that "gender identity."
Voters there have petitioned to have a vote on that law because they fear men who "decide" they are female walking into women's restrooms and locker rooms.
"Is this our future?" asked Mass Resistance in a commentary. "Dr. Norman Spack runs a clinic for young children who've 'decided' they are transgendered. Among other things, the clinic administers powerful hormones to delay (or even stop) puberty in order that the children more easily undergo operations that mutilate their bodies to 'change' them to the opposite sex."
"This is going on at the world-renowned Children's Hospital in Boston – not some backwater clinic. This is the elite of the medical profession," the organization said.
In a question-and-answer session with Globe columnist Pagan Kennedy, she starts the apologetic for doing surgery on children by saying, "Little boys sob unless they're allowed to wear dresses. The girls want to be called Luke, Ted, or James."
"Until recently, children with cross-gender feelings rarely received modern medical care – and certainly not hormone shots. After all, who would allow a child to redesign his or her body?" she asks.
But Spack, she wrote, has started a clinic that "is one of the few in the world to give children treatments that change their bodies."
She reports he uses drugs to delay puberty, "granting them a few more years before they develop bodies that are decidedly male or female."
Spack tells the interviewer he's seen "preadolescents" who have been dressing in underwear of the opposite sex "for years."
"The puberty-blocking drugs work best at the beginning of the pubital process, typically age 10 to 12 for a girl and 12 to 14 for a boy," he said. He's based some of his work on a Dutch model for sex-change, and said the recommendations there are age 16 for hormones that forever change a child's body.
But "for others," he wrote, "you lose opportunities if you wait. [One of my patients, a] transgendered girl from the UK, was destined to be a 6-foot-4 male. With treatment, she's going to end up 5-foot-10."
He said such treatments not only change the physical characteristics of the growing children, but also could leave them sterile for life.
"You have to explain to the patients that if they go ahead, they may not be able to have children. … But if you don't start treatment, they will always have trouble fitting in," he said.
"This isn't conjecture," Mass Resistance' commentary said. "It's happening now. And 'transgenderism' is being promoted to kids by homosexual/transgender activists in the public schools."
Children as young as 12 already have been given the treatment.
Meanwhile, LifeSiteNews has reported that Spack previously acknowledged that only about 20 percent of children who claim to have a confusion over their gender hold those feelings in adulthood.
The hospital itself calls the program "unique in the Western hemisphere."
"This will be the first major program in the country that … [is] also welcoming young people who appear to be transgendered and are considering medical protocols that might help them," Spack said.
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raves +1 posted Sep 03, 2008 12:38PM GMT
Answered WHere the hell are the parents?
Would parents honestly let a nutjob change the sex of their PRE-ADOLESCENT child?! Holy fucking shit. Not only that, it is probably just a phase that the child is going though. Their entire future will be ruined because they thought it may be fun. It is also horribly dangerous i expect. -
raves +1 posted Jul 20, 2008 07:44AM GMT
Answered Yes this is a good idea
if the child truly is a trans-person, this is something that can save them a lot of grief later in life. of course, people need to be careful with things like this, but it is benificial to the people who absolutley do need it. some people are really transgendered, some have chromasonal abnormalities, and some are intersex. no matter the reason, with careful procedures in place and the same councelling structure needed for changing an adult's sex (it is quite extensive), this could work and make life easier for many many young adults.
this is nothing like what dr. mengele did...i've read quite a bit about the man and this is far cry from his 'experiments'. if you ever get the chance, find the videos of his work- they are chilling and the most horrifying thing you have ever seen. they are NOT medicine, they are torture...without anesthetics, without patient regard, and without ANY sort of care or councelling for the patient. -
raves +1 posted Jul 07, 2008 05:41PM GMT (edited)
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raves posted May 10, 2008 02:23PM GMT
Answered Yes this is a good idea
You're speaking as if these kids are 3 years old. Yes, 12 is young but by this time most kids will know if they're gay or transgender or whatever. Obviously there would need to be regulations to make sure kids aren't making a rash decision or that parents who wanted a son don't pressurise their daughter into a sex change (or vice versa) -
raves +3 -1 posted May 01, 2008 05:09PM GMT
Answered This will harm our children I say NO
That is really Sick!!!!
Serious Child Abuse...At that young age the children should not even be thinking of sex at all!!!!Let alone this "wrong sex" hogwash!
Let the children finish growing up first. We do not let anyone under the age of 21 buy & drink alcohol because they are not really mature enough yet!
But these "trans-testiciles" that want to advocate such irresponsible & foolish behavior are disgusting....They should be sent to jail for such child endangerment!
Homosexuality is bad enough, but this is really low...This will further the kids confusion level, and it should NOT be allowed, AT ALL!!!
How sick & disgusting this whole "born the wrong sex myth!! -
raves posted Apr 28, 2008 05:33PM GMT
Answered Undecided
Worldnetdaily has been teetering on the brink of tabloid news for quite some time now, so I really would take anything that they print with a very tiny grain of salt. Maybe you can find us a more reliable source. I'd say there is more to this story than the nut jobs at worldnet want you to know. -
raves +1 Apr 28, 2008 05:42PM GMTI had a feeling that a little searching would turn up the real and full context of this issue. This is not as worldnet would like people to think.
Here is the unslanted non-tabloid side of this story, directly from Childrenshospital.org.
On February 23, a new multidisciplinary clinic at Children's Hospital Boston's saw its first patients with what are called disorders of sexual differentiation (DSD). The program primarily serves infants, children, adolescents and young adults with genitourinary or hormonal disorders or other medical issues that may make it difficult to determine their sex, and that may interfere with sexual and reproductive function. Girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), for example, are overexposed to masculinizing hormones in utero and may be born with the genital appearance of boys.
While Children's has long treated the physical manifestations of DSDs, the new clinic is also designed to address psychosocial issues that may arise from genital and gonadal variability. In addition to urologists, endocrinologists and geneticists, the team includes social workers, nurses who have run support groups and a research psychologist.
In the past, DSDs were regarded as medical emergencies that needed to be addressed immediately. Parents were ...I had a feeling that a little searching would turn up the real and full context of this issue. This is not as worldnet would like people to think.
Here is the unslanted non-tabloid side of this story, directly from Childrenshospital.org.
On February 23, a new multidisciplinary clinic at Children's Hospital Boston's saw its first patients with what are called disorders of sexual differentiation (DSD). The program primarily serves infants, children, adolescents and young adults with genitourinary or hormonal disorders or other medical issues that may make it difficult to determine their sex, and that may interfere with sexual and reproductive function. Girls with congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), for example, are overexposed to masculinizing hormones in utero and may be born with the genital appearance of boys.
While Children's has long treated the physical manifestations of DSDs, the new clinic is also designed to address psychosocial issues that may arise from genital and gonadal variability. In addition to urologists, endocrinologists and geneticists, the team includes social workers, nurses who have run support groups and a research psychologist.
In the past, DSDs were regarded as medical emergencies that needed to be addressed immediately. Parents were not always involved in the decision-making process, which varied from center to center. In recent years, however, adult patients have formed national advocacy groups that have changed the thinking about how to manage DSDs, and today, families are intimately involved in the decisions.
"It's more important to make the best decision than to make the fast one," says Norman Spack, MD, of the Endocrinology division at Children's, who co-directs the new clinic with David Diamond, MD, of Urology. "In some cases, it can take weeks to decide what's best for the patient," he says. "It's a team decision now, and no matter what's done, the parents need support and the children need to be followed." Follow-up research will be conducted to determine the efficacy of the approaches taken and patient satisfaction as they enter adult life.
As more prenatal ultrasounds and chromosome analyses are performed because of advanced maternal age, DSDs are being anticipated even in the womb. "The chromosomes and genital appearance may be discordant," says Dr. Diamond. "It may not be exactly clear what is going on until the child is born, and this can produce great family anxiety." In such instances, the program serves an important teaching function.
Unique in the Western hemisphere, the clinic will also care for children and young adults who present as transgendered—those who have no known anatomic or biochemical disorder, yet feel like a member of the opposite sex. Such feelings can emerge early, even in the preschool years, and can cause considerable psychological distress. For that reason, transgendered young people are often assumed to have a psychiatric disorder and are placed on psychotropic medications. By late adolescence, a high percentage have attempted suicide.
"This will be the first major program in the country that is not only treating DSDs, but also welcoming young people who appear to be transgendered and are considering medical protocols that might help them," says Dr. Spack.
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raves Apr 29, 2008 01:43PM GMTWhat do you define as "Doing anything"? Children's Hospital is a very reputable scientific establishment. I don't think they will at all be haphazardly about this. The article that you posted as a source is meant to twist the issue into something that it is not. This is not a "sex change for kids program".
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raves Apr 30, 2008 04:48AM GMTDoing anything means preforming sex change operations on children at such a young age. Yes you have those born with both male and female organs but I highly doubt it is so prevalent that it will keep this program going on it's own. They will still be working with kids who have the correctly gendered parts only for their sex. These children should not be put into a situation where they feel that what they are is wrong. Look at how many girls are tom boys and prefer doing everything the way boys do, does that mean it is ok to take her and start questioning her about a sex change or reassignment what ever the hell it is called. No let the kids be kids for Gods sake. They shouldn't be having this kind of stulff being pushed with them.
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raves Apr 30, 2008 12:49PM GMTThey are 'NOT' "preforming sex change operations on children". This is not "stuff being pushed with them". You said " They will still be working with kids who have the correctly gendered parts only for their sex". Could you elaborate a bit on your comment, I'm not sure I get what you are saying?
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raves May 01, 2008 01:09AM GMTI did not say that they were doing the operations the article said there are drugs they are giving to stop puberty so that they can get the surgery later. These drugs they say can already leave them with never being able to have children. What other damage do they do.? you can't mess with what is a natural progression without there being some side effects wth it. What I meant bout the gendered parts is quite simple your article kept referring to kids who are born with both sets of organs. Organs that would be both male yet still have female organs. The kids I refer to are those who are boys born with only the organs a boy is supposed to have and girls born with female body parts. These are the ones I worry for. They are the ones that the hospital is saying they will drug to prevent them from experiencing puberty. It just is wrong to mess with so many things. I am comepletly against them getting drugs to stop their natural growth cycle.
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raves +1 May 01, 2008 12:47PM GMTWhen I asked you " What do you define as 'Doing anything'"? You said " Doing anything means preforming sex change operations on children at such a young age". In that, I assumed that you were trying to insinuate that they were, in fact, "preforming sex change operations on children" as your tabloid article would like to get people to believe. My article is directly from Children's hospital and I posted the link. Your article is twisted and taken out of context and laden with tabloid-esque comments which are obviously meant to push falsifications and stretch the truth. I did not find anything stating that they will drug the children that you are referring to, to prevent them from experiencing puberty? I did read mention of psychological help.
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raves +2 posted Apr 28, 2008 06:05AM GMT
Answered This will harm our children I say NO
1st, saying that they are allowing children to decide if they want a male or female body?? They already do before puberty begins...its called either a penis or a vagina... 2nd, children this age are not equipped to make this sort of decision. It is disgusting and sad...really, WHERE ARE THE PARENTS? I liked that answer as well.

Answered This will harm our children I say NO
This position is so far left, even most liberals have to agree that this is a load of crap. How could anybody in their right mind even consider such a thing? "Gender reassignment" should be illegal for anybody, but kids? That is pure child abuse. If children 10-14 can't legally consent to sex, how can they legally consent to gender reassignment? Pure hogwash.