Apr 25, 2008 12:11AM GMT
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Tests Confirm T. Rex Kinship With Birds. Do you think Creationists will get mad?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/science/25dino.html?pagewan...April 25, 2008
Tests Confirm T. Rex Kinship With Birds
By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD
In the first analysis of proteins extracted from dinosaur bones, scientists say they have established more firmly than ever that the closest living relatives of the mighty predator Tyrannosaurus rex are modern birds.
The research, being published Friday in the journal Science, yielded the first molecular data confirming the widely held hypothesis of a close dinosaur-bird ancestry, the American scientific team reported. The link was previously suggested by anatomical similarities.
In fact, the scientists said, T. rex shared more of its genetic makeup with ostriches and chickens than with living reptiles, like alligators. On this basis, the research team has redrawn the family tree of major vertebrate groups, assigning the dinosaur a new place in evolutionary relationships.
Similar molecular tests on tissues from the extinct mastodon confirmed its close genetic link to the elephant, as had been suspected from skeletal affinities.
“Our results at the genetic level basically agree with what has been seen in skeletal data,” John M. Asara of Harvard said in a telephone interview. “There is more than a 90 percent probability that the grouping of T. rex with living birds is real.”
Dr. Asara and Lewis C. Cantley, both of Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center and Harvard Medical School, processed the proteins from tissue recovered deep in bones of a 68 million-year-old T. rex excavated in 2003 by John R. Horner of Montana State University. Mary H. Schweitzer of North Carolina State University discovered the preserved soft tissues in the bones.
For the molecular study, Dr. Asara and Chris L. Organ, a researcher in evolutionary biology at Harvard, compared the dinosaur protein with similar protein from several dozen species of modern birds, reptiles and other animals.
Dr. Organ was the lead author of the journal report, which concluded that the molecular tests confirmed the prediction that extinct dinosaurs “would show a higher degree of similarity with birds than with other extant vertebrates.” The researchers said they planned to extend their investigations to include comparisons of T. rex protein with more species of birds, reptiles and other dinosaurs.
Dinosaur paleontologists were not surprised by the findings. An accumulation of fossil evidence in recent years had given them increasing confidence in their contention that birds descended from certain dinosaurs.
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raves posted Jun 04, 2008 11:40PM GMT
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No, creationist will dismiss any evidence that is contrary to the 4000/6000/10000 yr old earth theory. Or twist it to say it's in the bible (probably the Whale in the myth "Jonah and the Whale" was a pliosaurus or something like that. As they did after decades of saying dinosaurs didn't exist, that they were an an evolutionists lie, but then they did say they existed because the behemoth was actually a sauropod of some sort.) -
raves posted Apr 26, 2008 10:17PM GMT
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I believe in the Genesis account of creation. I believe God created everything according to its kind... How He did that, I'm not sure. I personally don't believe in one species evolving into another, but I don't doubt God couldn't have used similar materials to create different species if that's what He chose to do.
I think scientists will always have their theories, and more power to them... But for me, it's enough for me to believe that God ultimately created everything, regardless of whether I understand the process by which He did so. It has no impact whatsoever on whether I will spend eternity with Him.
I do find it annoying, though, that evolutionists feel the need to ridicule our beliefs. I don't mind if people believe in evolution, I won't mock them for it, so why do they feel the need to mock me? -
raves posted Apr 26, 2008 05:22AM GMT
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i like answering evolution debates. Scientists on both sides have their opinions, and insist on using their preconcieved answer to phrase the questions behind.
like the fossil record argument: ever see a fossil marked with the date it was formed? the dates given are based on manmade reasonings.
maybe the duckbilled platypus is a duck that got stuck in evolutions neutral mode.
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or maybe there were multitudes more animal types that have gone extinct like many today.
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raves Apr 26, 2008 06:34PM GMT (edited)gotta have some fun.
check my response at this poll.
http://www.sodahead.com/quest...
this shows an extinct dinosaur much like many extinct animals today, but not really proving dino to bird transformation. Yes, the film believes in and desires we believe what they tell us; but, their hypothesis is still assumption of preconcieved answers. -
raves Apr 26, 2008 10:22PM GMTThat's a good question. The Bible doesn't say anything about dinosaurs as far as creation goes. It says simply that God created plants first, then animals, then man. So dinosaurs could fit in somewhere during the "animal" creation phase.
Although I must add I can't speak for literal six-day creationists. I believe the six "days" of creation represent millions (if not billions) of years... Because there are places in the Bible that say a day is like a thousand years to the Lord, so I assume each "day" was a metaphor for a long period of time. -
raves +1 Jul 31, 2008 02:19AM GMTI know the Bible never uses the word "dinosaur." I meant that the Bible does not exclude the possibility of the beasts we call dinosaurs in the story of creation. Dinosaurs could have been created at any time during the creation process. We know they were created because we have dug up their bones, so they obviously existed and therefore must have been created sometime during the six "days" of creation.
And very true, God is not bound by space nor time; He is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. He is everywhere in this dimension and all others. It is absolutely mind-boggling to think there is nowhere in any dimension that God cannot be found.
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